The problem with messianic propheties
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All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said
through the prophet: "The virgin will be with child and will give birth to
a son, and they will call him Immanuel" —which means, "God
We can find the "prophecy" in Isaiah 7:10-17
Again the LORD spoke to Ahaz, "Ask the LORD your God
for a sign, whether in the deepest depths or in the highest heights." But
Ahaz said, "I will not ask; I will not put the LORD to the test." Then
Isaiah said, "Hear now, you house of David! Is it not enough to try the
patience of men? Will you try the patience of my God also? Therefore the Lord
himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth
to a son, and will call him Immanuel. He will eat curds and honey when he knows
enough to reject the wrong and choose the right. But before the boy knows enough
to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread
will be laid waste. The LORD will bring on you and on your people and on the
house of your father a time unlike any since Ephraim broke away from Judah—he
will bring the king of Assyria."
So he (Joseph) got up, took the child and his mother
during the night and left for Egypt, where he stayed until the death of Herod.
And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: "Out of
Egypt I called my son."
We can find the "prophecy" in Hosea 11:1-2
"When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of
Egypt I called my son. But the more I called Israel, the further they went from
me. They sacrificed to the Baals and they burned incense to images."
[...] and he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So
was fulfilled what was said through the prophets: "He will be called a
This "prophecy" is nowhere to be seen in the Bible.
He must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to
restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets. For Moses
said, 'The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your
own people; you must listen to everything he tells you. Anyone who does not
listen to him will be completely cut off from among his people.' "Indeed,
all the prophets from Samuel on, as many as have spoken, have foretold these
Jesus mentions this "prophecy" about him too.
"But do not think I will accuse you before the Father.
Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set. If you believed Moses, you
would believe me, for he wrote about me. But since you do not believe what he
wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?"
We can find this "prophecy" in Deuteronome 18:14-20
The nations you will dispossess listen to those who
practice sorcery or divination. But as for you, the LORD your God has not
permitted you to do so. The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like
me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him. For this is what you
asked of the LORD your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said,
"Let us not hear the voice of the LORD our God nor see this great fire
anymore, or we will die." The LORD said to me: "What they say is good.
I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will
put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If
anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself
will call him to account. But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name
anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of
other gods, must be put to death."
The contradiction about Jesus's birth shows that the autors of the Gospels have
made a list of "propheties" that should come true. And they invented a
biography of Jesus. http://www.anti-religion.net/birth_jesus.htm
: the two biblical stories are incompatibles. But in both cases the "propheties"
come true! But not in the same way...